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John Griffiths is a widely respected rugby historian and is the author of several sports books, including The Book of English International Rugby, The Book of International Rugby Records, British Lions, The Five Nations Championship, Rugby's Strangest Matches and Rugby's Greatest Characters. He was a regular contributor to the Daily Telegraph for 19 years and is co-author of the IRB International Rugby Yearbook. He has also provided insight for Scrum.com since 1999.
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Unofficial world champions, Albert Ferrasse and schools with most Lions
John Griffiths
January 17, 2011
Lions centre Brian O'Driscoll exploits some space, Sharks v British & Irish Lions, Kings Park, Durban, South Africa, June 10, 2009
Former Blackrock College pupil Brian O'Driscoll in action for the Lions on their 2009 tour of South Africa © Getty Images
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Welcome to the latest edition of Ask John where renowned rugby historian John Griffiths will answer any rugby-related query you have!

So, if there's something you've always wanted to know about the game we love but didn't know who to ask, or you think you can stump our expert - then get involved by sending us a question.

In this edition John answers questions on the unofficial world champions, Albert Ferrasse, the schools that have produced the most Lions, France playing in red and European Challenge Cup dismissals.

I know that there is a website that tracks the unofficial football world champion by using the idea of "winner stays on" and I was wondering if doing the same thing for international rugby union would throw up any surprises? Also, would it make a significant difference if British Lions' Test matches were included? Tim Skepper, England

This system uses the boxing concept that the winner of any title match is the world championship-holder. It is therefore dependant on the chronological order of matches.

Applying the system to rugby internationals since March 27th 1871 provides the following outcomes (with drawn matches resulting in the title being retained by the holder):

Year - Title holder
1871 - Scotland (no successful defences)
1872 - England (seven successful defences up to 1877)
1877 - Scotland (four successful defences up to 1880)
1880 - England (four successful defences up to 1882)
1882 - Scotland (two successful defences up to 1883)
1883 - England (nine successful defences up to 1887)
1887 - Ireland (no successful defences)
1887 - Scotland (two successful defences up to 1888)
1888 - Wales (no successful defences)
1888 - Ireland (no successful defences)
1888 - Scotland (four successful defences up to 1890)
1890 - England (three successful defences up to 1891)
1891 - Scotland (two successful defences up to 1892)
1892 - England (no successful defences)
1893 - Wales (two successful defences up to 1894)
1894 - England (no successful defences)
1894 - Ireland (two successful defences up to 1895)
1895 - England (no successful defences)
1895 - Scotland (no successful defences)
1896 - Wales (no successful defences)
1896 - Ireland (one successful defence up to 1897)
1897 - Scotland (no successful defences)
1897 - England (no successful defences)
1898 - Ireland (no successful defences)
1898 - Scotland (one successful defence up to 1899)
1899 - Ireland (one successful defence up to 1900)
1900 - England (one successful defence up to 1901)
1901 - Wales (no successful defences)
1901 - Scotland (two successful defences up to 1902)
1902 - Wales (two successful defences up to 1903)
1903 - Scotland (two successful defences up to 1904)
1904 - Wales (no successful defences)
1904 - Ireland (two successful defences up to 1905)
1905 - Wales (three successful defences up to 1906)
1906 - Ireland (no successful defences)
1906 - South Africa (three successful defences up to 1910)
1910 - British/Irish Lions (no successful defences)
1910 - South Africa (five successful defences up to 1921)
1921 - New Zealand (no successful defences)
1921 - South Africa (six successful defences up to 1928)
1928 - New Zealand (no successful defences)
1928 - South Africa (no successful defences)
1928 - New Zealand (no successful defences)
1929 - Australia (three successful defences up to 1931)
1931 - New Zealand (no successful defences)
1932 - Australia (no successful defences)
1932 - New Zealand (one successful defence up to 1934)
1934 - Australia (one successful defence up to 1936)
1936 - New Zealand (two successful defences up to 1937)
1937 - South Africa (three successful defences up to 1938)
1938 - British/Irish Lions

By virtue of their 21-16 victory in Cape Town in the final Test of the 1938 series against South Africa the Lions were holders of the world championship during the war years (and up to 1950 when they played their next series). To be continued next time.

How close did Albert Ferrasse come to playing international rugby for France? Steve John, Wales

Albert Ferrasse came from a rural background in the Garonne and rose to become the first non English-speaking chairman of the IRB (1987) having championed the RWC concept.

A good table-tennis and rugby player in his youth, he played second-row for Marmande, Cognac and for Agen in the side that won the French Championship beating Lourdes in 1945. He was also in the Agen side that were runners-up to Toulouse two years later. He was almost 30 then and had been unlucky to find his playing career interrupted by war. France were well-served by Robert Soro and Alban "Bamby" Moga during Ferrasse's later playing days. Together they formed the French second-row on 21 occasions between 1945 and 1949 - there was only one French Test when they were not paired - effectively shutting Ferrasse out of the international reckoning.

After his rugby career was over Ferrasse moved on to become a well-known referee (taking control of the Racing Club de France v Mont-de-Marsan Final in 1959) and was elected a committee member of the FFR. As its president from 1968 to 1991, he was instrumental in France being elected to full membership of the IRB (1978) and ran the Federation with an iron fist that suppressed professionalism yet promoted a professional approach to the administration of the then-amateur game.

Ferrasse was hugely respected for his leadership especially by the true-blue amateurs of the Home Unions and upheld the traditions of the international game, being especially sympathetic to South African rugby when it had few friends.

Which school has produced most British/Irish Lions? John Jenkins, Wales

Not all past Lions' schools are known; moreover, some schools have become known by different names in recent years. For example, the former Bridgend County School where Wales and 1950 Lion Jack Matthews was educated had become Brynteg School by the time Rob Howley and Gareth Thomas, Lions of more recent vintage, were students.

To the best of knowledge, the honour for producing most Lions belongs to the Royal Belfast Academical Institution (RBAI). At the last count there had been eleven former pupils honoured by selection for the Lions, including two tour captains:

Player - Year
I G Davidson - 1903
A N McClinton - 1910
W Tyrrell - 1910
H R McKibbin - 1938
R Alexander - 1938
S Walker - 1938 (captain)
R H Thompson - 1955 (captain)
D Hewitt - 1955 & 1962
R A Lamont - 1966
C S Patterson - 1980
D G Irwin - 1983

Sir Donald Currie was another former pupil of the RBAI who had a strong link with British/Irish tours. In 1891, when the Lions sailed to South Africa for the first time, he gave them a magnificent silver Cup to present to the South African team that put up the best performance against the tourists. At length the visitors were invincible, but the Cup was nevertheless donated to Griqualand West and in turn passed to the South African Rugby Board who put it up as the prize for the winners of their domestic provincial competitions.

Blackrock College in Dublin run the RBAI a close second. Their most recent former pupil to tour with the Lions was Brian O'Driscoll, who became the school's ninth Lion. (The Blackrock College RFC senior club has produced several more Lions but not all were former pupils of the school).

Christ College Brecon have also produced nine Lions (including six in the 1908 Anglo-Welsh party) while their old Welsh school rivals, Llandovery College, have had eight spanning the entire Lions era: William H Thomas went on the inaugural tour to New Zealand and Australia in 1888 while Andy Powell and Alun-Wyn Jones were in the squad that visited South Africa in 2009.

Is it true that France played in red shirts in past international matches? James, New Zealand

Three times in the late 1950s France experimented with red jerseys. They wore red against Scotland at Murrayfield in 1958 and a couple of months later repeated the experiment for the match at Stade Colombes against Australia.

The match with the Wallabies was played on a Sunday and the colour switch was taken to ease identification for black-and-white television viewers. The match was relayed to the British Isles through Eurovision with commentary by the well-known Welsh broadcaster, Alun Wiilliams.

France wore red jerseys again in January 1959 for the opening match of the season's Five Nations Championship against Scotland in Paris.

Further to your list of dismissals in the Heineken Cup, who is in the "Hall of Shame" in the Challenge Cup? Andrew Willis, England

The following were red-carded in the Challenge Cup competitions up to the beginning of this season:

European Challenge Cup Red Cards:
Season Red Cards
1996-1997 Olivier Sourgens (Bègles-Bordeaux), Mike Wilson (Ebbw Vale)
1997-1998 Olivier Sourgens (Bègles-Bordeaux), Eric Goulomet (Biarritz), Christian Boule (Biarritz), Alain Carminati (Béziers), Jean-Francois Tordo (Nice), Sylvain Marconnet (Stade Francais), Andy Kembery (Neath)

1998-1999 Nathan Jones (Caerphilly), Lancelot Eymard (Périgueux), Andrea Lo Cicero (Rovigo), Serge Betsen (Biarritz), Philippe Carbonneau (Brive), Willie Begarie (Agen), Mario Vella (Rovigo), Sean Marshall (Caerphilly), Fabrice Landreau (Bègles-Bordeaux)
1999-2000 Andy Morris (Sale), Patrick Furet (Perpignan), Gérald Orsini (Bègles- Bordeaux), Mauro Vaghi (Calvisano), Samuel Nouchi (Toulon), David Couzinet (Agen)
2000-2001 Andy Whittle (Sale), George Lunardi (Auch), Simon Bunting (Rotherham), Aled Griffiths (Bridgend), David Chouly (Périgueux)
2001-2002 Johnny O'Connor (Connacht), David Douy (Narbonne), Juan-Carlo Mauro (Bologna), Bruce Miguel (Béziers), Giovanni Raineri (Roma), Trevor Woodman (Gloucester), Guillaume Chasserieau (Pau)
2002-2003 Alexandre Colome (Montauban), Ignacio Fernandez-Lobbe (Castres), Mauro Bergamasco (Treviso)
2003-2004 Fabien Boiroux (Connacht), Matteo Mazzantini (Viadana), John Welborn (Brive)
2004-2005 Carlo del Fava (Parma), Barry Irving (Catania), Valentin Ursache (Bucuresti), Stefano Coda (Leonessa), Cristian Prestera (GRAN Parma), Maxime Suarez (Grenoble)
2005-2006 No red cards
2006-2007 Martin Acuna (Petrarca)
2007-2008 Mamouka Magrakvelidze (Auch)
2008-2009 Fabien Rofes (Montpellier), Julien Tomas (Montpellier), Thomas Genevois (Bourgoin)

2009-2010 No red cards shown

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